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| MSSJ Gohan (Buu Saga) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games) | |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Nov 24 2011, 06:35 PM Post #31 |
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Oh. Looks like I did. But I hit all the other points bang on right? |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 24 2011, 07:57 PM Post #32 |
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I don't see how the excuse "Cell was just shocked Gohan had so much power" even makes sense as a valid rebuttal to Gohan showcasing more power than Goku. Vegeta's comment is as close as one gets to that kind of excuse, since he questioned how Gohan could get so much power. Cell's on the other hand, was not. He literally aided Goku's statement. I don't see how it's even debatable. |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 24 2011, 08:57 PM Post #33 |
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Ok maybe it was kind of ridiclous to say it doesnt know anything..sorry about that Future gohan isnt important for the topic...we dont know if he have skill anyway. I was basically trying to say goku's skill is FAR ahead of gohan's...gohan doesnt know instant transmottion nor instant kamehameha..and if goku uses that what gohan could do against it? |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 24 2011, 09:02 PM Post #34 |
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At the Cell Games, Gohan knew everything Goku did, or very close to it. Goku never taught anybody the Shunkan-ido because it took almost a year for him to learn, and they didn't have that kind of time on their hands even with the assistance of the RoSaT; subsequently, the Shunkan-ido Kamehameha couldn't be learned without the Shunkan-ido. |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 24 2011, 09:10 PM Post #35 |
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Okey so let's say in this case gohan knows everything of goku expect shunkan-ido(is it instant transmottion in japanse?)so I'm still waititng to hear what would he do if goku uses shunkan-id kamehameha..goku hasnt showed any thing that could prevent this secret weapon. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Nov 24 2011, 09:12 PM Post #36 |
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Well, no, Future Gohan really has nothing to do with the topic. However, in relation to your statement that Gohan has no skill in any of his ages or carnations, Future Gohan is relevant in proving otherwise, as well as Kid Gohan from the Cell Game. To understand the skill Future Gohan possesses all you have to do is watch The History of Trunks. Also, to say that Kid Gohan possesses no skill is either a ridiculous statement [sorry, don't mean to offend you] or an uneducated one. Goku trained Gohan personally in the Time Chamber, and quite frankly could not have entrusted Gohan to do anything against Cell if Gohan didn't have the skill needed to fight such a battle. He did of course though because Goku trained him for a year straight with the intent to make Gohan stronger than even him. This was different than the three year training period, where Goku didn't really expect Gohan to fight the major battles personally, so he didn't focus on making him stronger than himself there. But being in the Time Chamber, having the oppurtunity and time to push Gohan's abilities and potential to its limits, the time was right for Goku to finally cultivate Gohan's power and skill in a personal way. Yes, Goku does have Shunkan Idou, and Gohan probably couldn't anticipate such a move, but that isn't to say that Kid Gohan isn't stronger than or as skilled as Goku in terms of combat ability, especially after his training with Goku in the RoSaT. |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 24 2011, 09:22 PM Post #37 |
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History of trunks is non-cannon..in the manga future gohan's fights and never shown(only the talk between him and 17 at the 2nd battle) And I already regereted about saying kid gohan doesnt have any sort of skill..kinda obivoulsly he does..maybe even knows all of goku's moves(in other words..have all his skills) expect shunkan-ido. But when this topic battle happens..Buu saga gohan and Cell goku fight even with gohan having a slight edge untill goku uses shunkan-ido kamehameha..and gohan dies imo. |
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| Wintergreen5000 | Nov 24 2011, 09:43 PM Post #38 |
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Fair enough. But the movie is practical if nothing else in showcasing what Gohan was most likely capable of at that time. Just because it's non-canon doesn't mean it's far from the truth, unless you have reason to believe so, which we don't.
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 24 2011, 10:02 PM Post #39 |
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Izanagi!
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Gohan would remember the Shunkan Idou Kamehameha. Gohan would still have the power advantage. And, although his skills may be rusty, he's still very skilled. And IllunsioNaire's right. We're shown nothing of Mirai Gohan's skills in the Manga. The TV Special shows something of his skills. Not that I like using the anime as evidence, it fits in quite nicely. |
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| kuartus4 | Mar 8 2013, 11:44 PM Post #40 |
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Question. When goku said gohan was stronger, wasnt he referring to gohans ssj2 strength? He saw him transform into ssj2 briefly in the time chamber right, so he already knew about gohans hidden power before sending him to fight cell.
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| + Kyouks | Mar 9 2013, 12:03 AM Post #41 |
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Gohan transforming in the chamber was filler only, and does not appear in the original manga. Secondly, Gohan doesn't think much of Goku's power or the power that Cell used against Goku (while still in SSJ form), and when Gohan powers up (as an SSJ), Cell claims that what Goku said about Gohan's superiority wasn't a bluff, and then Gohan goes to perform much better against Cell than Goku did until Cell raises his speed. |
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